Episode 7

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31st Jan 2022

"Measurement Is Creativity's Bizarre Half-Sister"

20% of the bees in the hive ignore the waggle dance. Why? What do the efficiency-oriented bee accountants say? How do you measure the RoI on the rogue bee activity? How is any of this relevant to innovation? Listen to Rory Sutherland, Vice Chairman of Ogilvy, to get the answers.

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Contents (time stamps from the Full version)

  • Introduction [00:00]
  • On Measurement, Creativity, and Exploit-Explore Trade-Off
  • On That We Don't Know Everything There Is To Know [04:06]
  • On the Role of Experimentation in Explore, and Testing Things That Don't Make Sense [08:53]
  • Abduction and Innovation: Reasoning Backwards and Business Significance
  • On Abductive Reasoning [13:19]
  • On Innovation in Start-Ups Versus Established Companies: Stock Markets and Shareholders [18:10]
  • On the Benefits of Being a Rogue Bee [23:17]
  • On the Necessity of Probabilistic Thinking and Accounting for Search Costs: Creating the "Explore Department" in a Firm [26:25]
  • On Statistical Significance Versus Business Significance [39:08]
  • On Murders and Detectives: More Backward Reasoning [42:47]
  • On How To Innovate Through Mistakes: AI Poetry, Meerkats, Charities and Sex Toys [49:15]
  • On Just Reading the Data and More Murders: How To Be a Data Detective [57:33]
  • On "Alchemy", Financial Alpha, Comedy, and Those at the Peak of Their Professions [1:04:45]
  • On Cryptic Crosswords and More Detective Work [1:09:01]
  • On Why Is There Too Much Logic and Not Enough Exploration: You Don't Get Fired for Being Logical [1:11:23]
  • On How Innovation and Marketing Works, Habits and Mimetics, and How To Practice Ethical Capitalism [1:17:59]
  • On Why Aussies and Kiwis Go To London [1:23:04]
  • On Future of Work and Futuristic Cities: Mega- Or Small? On Why Nassim Taleb Advocates for Suburbia. And On Berlin, London, Auckland, Frankfurt… [1:28:03]
  • Mini-Summary: Explore-Exploit and Behavioural Science [1:37:25]
  • Homework: Books To Read (and Cryptic Crosswords) [1:40:23]
  • On Good Tea: TIELKA® [1:47:14]

Links to Rory’s Work

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Andrey Ivanov

Born in the USSR; grew up in West Auckland, NZ (Waitākere, Tāmaki Makaurau, Aotearoa); spent all my 20s in Deutschland (Mannheim, Frankfurt, Berlin) & Italia (Milano); back "out West" in Tāmaki Makaurau. A "Westie", a JAFA, vaguely Germanic, Soviet-born, a Kiwi—all in that order and proudly so. Accent vaguely Germanic and fully my own, ja?

PhD (Economics) from Universität Mannheim (Germany) where I co-authored papers on pricing & industrial organization with McKinsey consultants. NOT AN EXPERT.

12+ years strategy consultant (Germany, Italy, NZ); grew own team to 7 employees; large, listed corporations hired my firm; longest return client relationships 7, 5, & 3 years (must've been doing something right, eh?). Occasional Master thesis supervisor.

As I learnt more from being "in" business, wanted to get back to teaching and share this experience; at heart, an entrepreneurial researcher & a researching entrepreneur, an experimenter, learner, an educator & a sharer. Argh, it sounds like I'm full of myself, eh? …

I take my work very seriously & I don't take myself seriously at all—is something I learnt from one of my early clients & one of the best leaders I had the privilege to work with.